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Yep. And basically, as soon as that happens in US (which is a matter of when, not if, because Trump is for sure not going to let Dems win who will start prosecuting him and his cronies for all the blatantly illegal shit he has done), its time to leave the country.


No, SCOTUS gave him de facto immunity for everything he does in office. He's either explicitly immune, presumptively immune, or not immune but only after numerous interlocutory appeals. And that's just his first layer of insulation from legal liability.


Immune from criminal prosecution, but if Dems actually had someone with balls in charge, they can go after a lot of his stuff like seizing funds, sanctioning businesses, and so on (cause in all likelyhood, they are funded by his crypto scams and insider trading)


And repealing the immunity. I think that's a pretty obvious path. It's not like "immunity" is set in stone forever.


You can't repeal immunity. The only paths here are a constitutional amendment or SCOTUS that overturns their previous decision. Both are nigh impossible before Trump croaks.


I read your above comment to be "Trump won't relinquish power because it will make him vulnerable to prosecution". If that was not your point then I misunderstood it. If it was, he is not vulnerable to prosecution nor is he liable civily for official acts.

You are right a lot of his actions can be (and have been) stopped via legal means. That's not so much democrats as individuals and groups with standing to bring suit. The dems can't really do much except fund the lawsuits which, again, don't threaten Trump in any way.


Also note only the president is immune. Bondi can still be charged. Hegseth can still be held liable. Elon Musk wasn't even elected nor approved by anyone in office.

I do hope we have our version of a Numenburg trials one day, but I also wouldn't be surprised if all these people squirm under the cracks once their near octogenarian rallying point declines.


One question that they presume the answer to iiuc, is that they have a pardon waiting for them. - an inverted sword of Damocles hanging out waiting to save them. IMO, many probably do, but plenty who think they will be safe don't have the right profile and will only be offered one if they have enough money. Guliani offered them for.. 2 million I think last time? You'll have to check that.


  > Bondi can still be charged. Hegseth can still be held liable.
it will become harder of the house budget bill passes in the senate [0]

[0] https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/05/27/trumps-budget-contemp...


Trump is pardoning people for buying Mar a Lago dinners. He certainly is going to pardon people he considers loyal.


Autocrats don't believe in immunity -- they instated it, and they understand others can repeal it at any time later.

Case study -- Kazakhstan leader, Nazarbayev introduced all kinds of immunities before leaving. Didn't help later, all the titles and privileges got stripped. The only chance is to lose power and money and become harmless (and whole family as well), or get unreachable (keep the money).

PS: Autocrats like "small" wars, something that keeps people occupied and centralized. Not a large risky wars though, with unpredictable outcomes. "Small" is relative, e.g. for China a war with Taiwan very well might become "large", if India expresses an opinion on that. So they're reluctant to start it. For Russia, war with Ukraine anticipated to be "small", although grew up larger than expected.

So as I see it for Trump, a small war would be desirable, he envies Ukraine president, as they cannot conduct an election during war (and some territories occupied), that'd be nice for Trump.


Wouldn't now be the time to leave? A lot of people normally get stuck behind.




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