> You're trying to convince yourself that you made the right choice, the right investment.
> That's sad.
Err, huh? What's with the preachy tone and the presumptuos attitude there? No, I don't need to convince myself, nor am I looking for confirmation - I know that I'm happier coding in Python than I was coding in PHP, that I get more done in less time, that I've vastly increased the average reusability of code that I write, and that it blows up less in production.
> Have confidence in yourself. You made the right choice for yourself and let others choose for themselves.
That's not what this is about. It's about how I didn't make a conscious choice to use PHP back then - nor would I have if I had been in a position to make a choice. I believe the same is true for many others, so how do we get to a point where they have the facts to make a choice?
> Python on the other hand ... aside from Google, who's using it at a massive scale? Even Google has been shifting to Java for a long time.
Shrug. It's you who's playing up the PHP vs. Python angle here, really -- for me there's plenty of stuff out there that's better than PHP, not just Python.
> If you're convinced that there is no proper application for PHP, then you're not even trying to be objective ... you're just trying to make yourself feel better about the choices you made.
Actually I think there are circumstances where PHP is the right choice, though it's mostly a matter of market considerations, certainly not technical strength.
> Actually I think there are circumstances where PHP is the right choice, though it's mostly a matter of market considerations, certainly not technical strength.
I think technical strength is valued differently in this community than in the web development community at large. I've had a lot of commercial success with PHP and never found a serious problem caused by "a lack of technical strength".
Surely certain languages have created a vision of technical strength that is appealing to programmers who think mostly about programming as the challenge in itself, rather than a tool for the market challenge.
However to people that think mostly about solving market problems, such as entrepreneurs, PHP is known for many attributes that are high value and perhaps have little to do with what you might consider technical strength.
> That's sad.
Err, huh? What's with the preachy tone and the presumptuos attitude there? No, I don't need to convince myself, nor am I looking for confirmation - I know that I'm happier coding in Python than I was coding in PHP, that I get more done in less time, that I've vastly increased the average reusability of code that I write, and that it blows up less in production.
> Have confidence in yourself. You made the right choice for yourself and let others choose for themselves.
That's not what this is about. It's about how I didn't make a conscious choice to use PHP back then - nor would I have if I had been in a position to make a choice. I believe the same is true for many others, so how do we get to a point where they have the facts to make a choice?
> Python on the other hand ... aside from Google, who's using it at a massive scale? Even Google has been shifting to Java for a long time.
Shrug. It's you who's playing up the PHP vs. Python angle here, really -- for me there's plenty of stuff out there that's better than PHP, not just Python.
> If you're convinced that there is no proper application for PHP, then you're not even trying to be objective ... you're just trying to make yourself feel better about the choices you made.
Actually I think there are circumstances where PHP is the right choice, though it's mostly a matter of market considerations, certainly not technical strength.