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> year after year self-driving cars remained a demo, albeit an incrementally improving one

You can get a ride in Phoenix today. Order a Waymo from your phone, it shows up with no driver. https://waymo.com/waymo-one-phoenix/

The number of cities is still small, but it's not a demo anymore.



It's limited to a small number of cities with optimal conditions and every ride has a human supervising. They're still spending R&D, rather than making a profit. That's a demo.


> every ride has a human supervising

What do you mean? Waymo has been running fully driverless operations with the general public since 2020: https://waymo.com/blog/2020/10/waymo-is-opening-its-fully-dr...




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