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In typical HN fashion of late. This doesn't address my points.

I also am downvoted. It's Reddit 0.5 and has been for quite a while, which is quite funny, when you think about reddit's current path.



> This doesn't address my points.

You didn't make any points and what you said didn't make any sense. Firefox and Chrome didn't come out anywhere near the same time. Firefox came out almost half a decade before Chrome. Chrome won because it was a breath of fresh air after dealing with Netscape, then Firefox. The dev-tooling was amazing (even in the early versions, IIRC) while firefox required installing a separate extension (which your customers almost never had installed).

IE 'won' because Netscape wasn't updated. It was the defacto browser that was still being updated.

So a lot of Chrome's success was us devs telling customers "go install Chrome and tell me what the error is in the console," instead of "go install this extension and navigate all these screens/tabs ... no, not that one." Then there was the heavy advertisement on Google.com (but that was a little later IIRC).


Chrome won because it was the default and installed by default and invested in heavy advertising. It was also in your phone. People didn't choose it because devs told them to. People chose it on their own.

People had Gmail and it synced shit too. People used Google and got pushed to use it.

It's absolutely disingenuous to pretend Firefox lost the upper hand it had because of - bad decisions from Netscape ages ago - chrome being objectively better.

> Then there was the heavy advertisement on Google.com (but that was a little later IIRC).

You recall wrong. The stats showed Firefox on the way to overtake IE until chrome showed up strong and unavoidable, prompting people and being the default.

Your experience with the Dev tools is fine but most power users who wanted customization preferreed Firefox and recommended it to their non tech friends and installing and add-ons is not harder than installing chrome. So it's basically anecdote against anecdote.

IE won because it was the default.

> Chrome won because it was a breath of fresh air after dealing with Netscape, then Firefox

A fresh of uncustomizable air, right?

You drove the wrong conclusions from the market movement and wanted to chuck it down to developer decisions.


Where on earth was Chrome installed by default? Android didn’t even ship Chrome by default up until the Pixel came out. There was absolutely nowhere ever that Chrome was a default browser in the early 2010s.


Notebooks AND chromebooks.

Clearly you haven't paid attention. But even if you're fixated on the default install aspect, the Google pestering you aspect should give you a clue about the power of their reach. You know, Google, the default search engine for mostly everyone?


I never saw it installed by default back then. Maybe it’s region specific?

Chromebooks didn’t come out until 2011, they aren’t really a part of this discussion.


> Initial release of Firefox: November 9, 2004.

That's a lot later than I remembered! I thought I was using it earlier but I guess my memory is wrong.




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