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And, the quote is onjectively bs. Hard times create hardened people who create hard time for others. And suffering.Good times are created by people who care and have right values.

The hard times in Ukraine now won't make anyone better. Men in west won't be inferior for not going through it.



I fail to see how this is true at all.

We were in a comfy peaceful era and yet we saw rise of extremism, neo nazis in germany, in the US even. Good times allow for forgetting the extent of what reality can be and then people start to have weird ideas when small problems come, only to react in shallow reflexes like nationalism, and war.

I may be dumb but I assumed people who saw wars just didn't want any of that anymore and would actually know what 'right value' means, not just school books or worse .. network propaganda.

Now sure, it can all be twisted, people can be brainwashed during and after war, there can be bad wounds for long too.


> I may be dumb but I assumed people who saw wars just didn't want any of that anymore and would actually know what 'right value' means, not just school books or worse .. network propaganda.

Yes. I too recall the many decades of peace after WWI. And the great leaders that arose in Europe after that conflict.


The US has been in perpetual shooting wars for over 20 years.

If wars _prevented_ extremism you’d think we’d have evidence of it by now.

Also I wonder what happened after “The Great War”? Did extremism decline then?


The quote is true in many families, not sure why it wouldn’t apply in some cases.

People with grit who struggle through puberty often produce children who wouldn’t bother to lift a finger to improve their lot or get a job:)


> And, the quote is onjectively bs. Hard times create hardened people who create hard time for others. And suffering.Good times are created by people who care and have right values.

And then you go on to express a not-so-objective viewpoint? OP is stating an idiom, a saying, a phrase. Let it be. There is nothing objective about it.


OP is stating ideology and an worldview. The one that is seems more and more wrong, the more you read about history. Generations that grew in hard times have more issues and those go away only slowly.

People regularly use this one as argument or to imply inferiority of those they look down at. Therefore, it is 100% alright to not that idiom stand.


> People regularly use this one as argument or to imply inferiority of those they look down at. Therefore, it is 100% alright to not that idiom stand.

Hmm, I disagree. I've seen it used as a statement of dysfunction in our society.




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