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I believe you misunderstood how the process works. Plus, I saw this as working out as Epic had planned.

Yes, the judge Gonzalez Rogers said that she is not convinced enough by Epic's claims to force an injunction onto Apple, which would require Apple to immediately reinstate Fortnite into the app store and leave it there until the legal proceedings are finished.

But did anyone really expect that Epic can use the fast track to force Apple to continue distributing Fortnite while forfeiting the 30% before even going to the main trial? Sure, Epic requested that, but that doesn't mean that they reasonably expected to get it granted, too. Such a large case will almost never be settled pre-trial without an official jury.

So her rejecting the injunction is kind of how this normally works.

According to CNN, she also said "Fortnite players on iOS have a variety of choices to access the game even if it is no longer available on iOS" as the main reasoning as to why Apple's action is not illegal tying of App distribution to In-App payments. And then she said that she wants to hear what the public thinks.

So effectively, the stage is now set for Epic. They need to manufacture a large enough outcry by regular consumers about Fortnite being absent on iOS. And they need to do so before the trial in 2021. And to me, it looks like Epic has been very effective so far at making people speak out that they would have wanted Fortnite on iOS.

The judge also said "It's hard to ignore the economics of the industry, which is what you're asking me to do." when comparing the iOS app store to other walled gardens like Xbox and PS. I'd treat that as a friendly hint that Epic needs to show that game consoles and smartphones are not comparable industries. That should be easy, because smartphones are essential for everyday life. Game consoles are not.

And lastly, the judge also said "There are a lot of people in the public who consider you guys heroes for what you guys did, [..]". To me, that sounds like an acknowledgement that the general population does not support Apple's reaction, meaning that Epic is on a good path towards showing that iOS consumers in general do NOT have alternative ways for accessing Fortnite.

Also, I'm not sure this is a neutral report on the Apple/Epic battle. The writer is called "James Vincent", just like this guy: https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/02/26/ex-apple-ad-chief...



My observation extends beyond the preliminary injunction itself which was always going to be a long shot. Epic's entire case depends on being able to successfully plead a single-brand market consisting of only iOS devices. Yes, you are correct that whether Epic wins or loses the injunction now won't necessarily affect the outcome of the trial. However, failing to establish a single-brand market will.

So to the extent that the judge is unconvinced of the validity of a single-brand market now, is not good news for Epic's chances during the trial later.


iOS users have already moved on to the next hyped app. There is no “outcry” from iOS users. Epic even admitted that less than 10% of Fortnite players are on iOS.

Are you claiming that all of the articles that quoted the judge are biased?




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