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I don't disagree with the wider point but

> I could replace my 6-year old Intel i7-3770 desktop with 32GB of RAM, but what's out there that's significantly better at a reasonable cost?

AMD Ryzen 7 1700 for $200. ~10% faster single core and you get 8C/16T. DDR4 RAM is quite expensive, though.

(closest available benchmarks, 1700 is about 3% slower than 2700) [0]: https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2111 [1]: https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/551



The Ryzen is better, as another commenter pointed out with the passmark scores. Is it better enough for me to actually go out and buy it?

The system the i7-3770 replaced was a 4 year old dual-core, with (IIRC) just 1GB of RAM. The i7 was a dramatic improvement, but I don't feel that the Ryzen would be a dramatic improvement.

And that's the issue. It is not just me being a little unimpressed with current offerings, or me just being cheap. The issue is that there is even a valid discussion about replacing a 6 year old desktop. In the past, in the 1990's and 2000's, it wasn't a question. You had to upgrade because you wanted to run Windows XP decently, for example.


do keep in mind though there is the perspective that we're heading back into the 70s phase where the end user owns dumb terminals and connect into semi-centralized servers. The place where performance is going to be killer is in the server space, which clearly amd is starting to get the jump on intel again, and you are (presumably, don't know what you do as a dev) not the target market. Heck, even if you're a hyperscaler, you might not be the target market, since it might be the likes of AWS.


Growth in demand for compute will continue to drive sales for the foreseeable future.

In the "old days", there was also demand from upgrades, but we're seeing that tapering off. And that should be a big concern for the investors.


Single core speed is near equal on 3770 and 1700 but you get 2x the cores with 1700.

So if you can benefit from 8Cores (ie compiling for one) then it is a nice upgrade.

If you rarely utilize all 4 cores on your 3770 then it is a pointless upgrade.

That is the thing, going from a single core to 2 core pretty much benefited everyone. Heck PentiumHT was a big thing.

Going from 2 core to 4 cores took longer to show benefits and 4 cores to 8 cores is going to be slower still to show benefits for most users.

At the end of the day single core speed has been stagnating for the last 6 years every since Sandy Bridge which was the last big jump.

I mean I plan on buying AMDs ThreadRipper 2 32 core chip since it will be of benefit to me for running 100 copies of the same program.

Still those 32 cores will not help with regular computing.


> DDR4 RAM is quite expensive, though.

True, but it is a major upgrade.

The i7-3770 supports two channels of DDR3-1600 memory, or 25.6 GB/s of memory bandwidth. A Ryzen processor (or other recent generation) supports DDR4-3200, which literally doubles your memory bandwidth. Fortunately or unfortunately, we now have much faster PCIe SSDs so memory bandwidth isn't as crucial for normal use, but a 100% improvement is a much better reason to upgrade than a measly 10% bump.


Newegg had the 1700 for an insane $159 today.




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