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Would you rather have a job and a racist in power, or no job and a person isn't racist in power?

I believe you are operating on a higher level of the Maslow hierarchy of needs than many people if your primary concern is about equality, and not about food, shelter, and a job.



Minorities on average earn less, have less job security and despite this they utterly rejected Trump and his hateful platform. Trump voters also weren't the most economically desperate, those people voted Clinton. Trump did well among solidly middle class white people in rural areas.

So no, Trump didn't get elected because people desperate for a job were willing to overlook his hate.


So no, Trump didn't get elected because people desperate for a job were willing to overlook his hate.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/e...

Check out the swings in the race section. If there hadn't been a massive swing towards him from blacks and hispanics, he might not have won.


Obama was an unusually charismatic candidate who got 93% of the Black vote in 2012 and 96% in 2008. There is no way Hillary or any other democratic candidate could match that. Hispanic turnout did turn out a bit below expectations, but not by much. Note that Hillary got completely crushed in the "White w/o college degree" category, which is a much larger demographic.

And despite that Hillary still won the popular vote by 3 million votes. She did pretty well across the board and in an election as close as this one almost any single thing could have flipped the outcome.


Interesting that you attribute Obama getting 93/96% of the black vote to his...charisma. Yes, I'm sure that was it.

> There is no way Hillary or any other democratic candidate could match that.

So, black people vote for a "charismatic" candidate, but when they are left with a mediocre candidate and a candidate that (as is argued) hates them, they decide "Hey, the guy that hates me is better than someone who isn't so charismatic"?


Data does not support your opinion (yes I know Latinos is only one minority): https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-probably-did-bett...


What point are you making here? That you can find a subset within a minority demographic that voted for Trump? If so, that proves nothing.

Just look at the graphs here:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trump...

White people elected Trump, minorities rejected him. Fact.


Minorities always reject republicans. The argument is whether Trump did better with minorities given he is a republican.


65 percent Clinton to 29 percent Trump is a pretty strong margin regardless of how it compares to the previous election.


Yes it does. The fact that Trump did slightly better than Romney doesn't alter the fact that he still lost big with that demographic.


Yes, but it brings into question the 'hateful rhetoric' narrative, when it appears that minorities did not perceive it as such(at least, based on how they voted). If minorities viewed Trumps statements as dangerous to them, wouldn't you expect fewer minorities to vote for Trump than, say, Romney?


> If minorities viewed Trumps statements as dangerous to them, wouldn't you expect fewer minorities to vote for Trump than, say, Romney?

Not necessarily if they also viewed Clinton far less favorably than Obama; support of one party by any group in one election vs. another isn't a sign of absolute support for that party's candidate, it's a sign of relative support of that candidate compared to the alternative.


So...just because Clinton isn't as great as Obama, that leads minorities to vote for someone who "obviously hates them"(as per the anti-Trump narrative goes)?


> Minorities on average earn less

Tell that to Asian Americans:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...


That wasn't the questions. It was:

Do you want the possibility of a job? Does it matter if your disadvantaged, Muslim, first-generation American friend - or his/her parents - gets the shaft so that you can have a happy home and a job?

Does having a job mean that I have to be careful not to be out in the sun because then I look arab? With good reason, too - my grandmother was first generation american. Her parents were from Syria.

Does having a job mean that my bi-racial niece and nephew have to deal with alt-right led government?

Does it mean that I have to hide the fact that I'm bisexual?

It isn't enough that I have food and shelter. I want others to have the same, otherwise, I'm simply sharing and having less on whatever paltry sum the overlords will pay out. It isn't like there is a real social safety net to rely on.


The interesting thing is about voter priorities. We can always argue about different shades of grey. But taking for example your list, I would love to see 1/0 data where people had to make the ultimate choice - prefer to hide the sexuality or have no job. Sometimes forcing people to make a choice and not hiding behind relatives could open the true priorities.


"sometimes forcing people to make a choice and not hiding behind relatives could open the true priorities"

This could be quite interesting. I'm sure I have picked up on some of this now -I'm an immigrant. My spouse knows all this stuff about me, and I was able to let go of some of the familial baggage. It is really freeing, at least for me.

But I don't know if that would be the case other places. I'm in Norway, and the culture tends to be (publicly) accepting of folks and treating folks as equals. Obviously this has its limits and there are some downsides. Discrimination and racism persist nonetheless. The king, though, puts out inclusive statements and it makes me feel better about being here. I'd love to know if such things were the norm or not - and I'd love to see that data.


And those questions are making the big assumption that the person claiming they can bring back those jobs will actually be able to. You can't fight economics...


The latter, and I know plenty about poverty. Economic conditions are transient and tend to improve due to technology, oppressive governments tend to consistently make things worse for everyone. Why would I possibly want to be governed by the sort of person who is prejudiced against me?


But the choice was not racist+job or non-racist+job. Also, let's keep in mind that a demographic within the population with the highest unemployment will not be helped at all.

I realize that the democratic candidate was less than ideal.


People keep saying that the democratic candidate was less than ideal. So what would have been ideal? Who or what would have been your dream candidate for the 2016 election?




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