Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

" like groundwater pollution, earthquakes, above ground pipelines, etc"

Groundwater pollution and earthquakes are rare, and the latter are minor and have negligible impact. It's no more problematic than most other extraction industries.

'Above ground pipelines' are completely benign entities with almost zero environmental impact. Leaks are rare enough, and most of them are very minor and easy to clean up. Oil is an organic product, found commonly in nature, and small amounts of Oil spilled have no real impact. Unlike the big tanker spills, which can be devastating.

The highway you drive your car on has considerably more environmental footprint than any 'above ground pipeline'.



I wouldn't want a coffee shop 'in my backyard' and I have nothing against coffee shops.

But if I had to chose between an Oil Pipeline and a 'highway' - I (and I think most people) would chose the Oil Pipeline any day of the week.

You do realize they are quite common? And that natural gas pipelines - which carry the same carbon-based materials run everywhere in urban areas - and that there's a good chance there is a gas pipeline, literally, in your backyard right now?

If you are living in an urban area, my guess is there is an 80% chance there's a carbon-based pipeline within 500m from where you are.


The Energy Information Agency has a nice map of them:

http://www.eia.gov/state/maps.cfm

(turn off some layers to make it easier to look at)

I guess that's transportation pipelines and not distribution pipelines though.


That's a cool map. Pipelines are everywhere :). And yes, those don't include distribution which are nearly ubiquitous in many places.


It used to be that earthquakes were rare, but they aren't now, in places with fraking, such as Oklahoma and Dallas (!).


That injections wells ( not fracking - although they are related, hydrocarbon extraction activities ) cause earthquakes is still in the hypothesis phase.


There seems to be correlation. Causation is not yet proven.

In health and sciences that would be enough to prohibit certain activities. But when industry for the benefit of jobs, GDP, etc has its way it means continue as normal regardless of the warnings.

This is why we are nearing a climate crisis. I suppose it is a form of the tragedy of the commons.


The ready availability of hydrocarbons is a pretty significantly public good. Secondarily, the oil industry was one of the first ones regulated ( Sherman Act ) and when an industry is regulated, they get better and better at finding the edges to slip past over time.

"In health and sciences this would be enough to.." is a massive problem, IMO. If the full measure of tobacco law is brought to bear on "energy companies", you could pretty well wreck the US economy without meaning to.


It appears to be clearly in the middle cigarette processing phase of actively denying any science, passing state laws prohibiting local control (see for example Dallas Texas). I expect it will take a while to get to the levels of the late cigarette industry (recognition that it has impact and controlling it to reduce danger).


The problem is that there's nothing illegal about "actively denying science." Nor should there be. The science of earthquakes is unlikely to ever be capable of even making those sorts of predictions. But who knows?

As socially agreeable as the D.O.J v Phillip Morris decision may be in many circles, it's a terrible precedent. All - all - prohibitions are Bad.

I don't think there will ever be any "control"; if there's regulation of it, the effect will be to send people out of the business. You'll be left with the people who feel up to tangling with the government over it. Guys like Dick Cheney.


Would you want one in your back yard?


My friend lived in house with an oil well in the back yard. Really wasn't noticeable after you got used to the noise it made. After a week I forgot it was there.


Doesn't it stink?

I remember very clearly the first time I visited western Texas (from Europe) as a child. The smell was sickening.


Generally it is refineries that stink.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: