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> It was always "criminals only"

This is absolutely false. It was always mass deportation of all illegal immigrants. The "worst of the worst" rhetoric is new.

Here's a source, but there are many: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/trump-lays-out-agen...

> Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday, Trump reiterated his intention to deport every person who had entered the US without authorisation.


> You can be anti billionaire and still not be a fuckass racist

Genuinely, if you can't handle discussing a basic political disagreement without becoming apoplectic, you should take a breath and wait to respond. This is the opposite of what HN is for.


You've been downvoted for being reasonable (I gave you an upvote). The histrionics in these threads are way over the top, and it's sad to see.

I apologize for not wording things as pleasantly as the guy who wants people thrown in camps.

I very much appreciate the sentiment, and wish him well. However, one guy maintaining a fork as a side project from his core work is not very promising.

He seems to believe AI will help lessen the burden. I hope he's able to find other maintainers.

Best luck!


To be fair, most open source is like that.

The most famous one I can think of right now is xz.


A vastly less complex project whose maintainer burned out. You're not wrong, but this only underlines how unsustainable this is.

Yeah, I agree.

But we have to rally around something.


I found it more jarring that they chose to use both Excalidraw and ascii art. What a strange choice.


the hugo theme requires an image thumbnail. i just find one and use it :D


> The guy gives me chills, he reminds me of every sales douche who has ever tried to pull the wool over my eyes, or sell a customer something so horrendous and undeliverable as to be actively business ending.

The thing is, Joe is supposed to actually have substance and vision. He's not faking it. The difference is that all those sales guys are pretending to be someone like Joe.


No, Joe wants to have substance and vision. The tragedy of his character is his slow realization that he just doesn't have it. Indeed it's the tragedy of all the main cast that each has some of what it takes to make something truly revolutionary, but they lack some key aspect. They each know that another has the missing piece they need, but they can't sustainably maintain a relationship with them.


Great take.

There's a line in the first season that runs as an undercurrent through the whole show ("Computers aren't the thing. They're the thing that gets you to the thing"). Joe originally says this to make the viewer think about technology, evoking the dawn of the personal computer and subsequently the internet. But later on, you're invited to re-interpret that statement as being about people: computers and technology were the thing that got the main characters to work together. It's the -people- that are the thing.

Part of what makes the show so good is that it's one of the few renditions in TV / movies of the joy of engineering something, and the constant tension that comes from working with great people. Great people inspire you, but they also challenge you. The show does a great job of portraying realistic conflicts that arise between different personality types and roles, as well as cleverly exposing the limitations of those personalities. With just Gordon, you'll get a stable and well engineered product but it won't be revolutionary. Joe has the vision but he can't actually _do_ the substantive part. Cameron has great substance and technical ability, but she's impractical and inflexible. Donna is responsible, effective, and clear-eyed - but unchecked, purely rational decisions erode the soul of a company into nothing. These differences frustrate our characters, and yet there can be no success without them.

I think many of us spend our whole careers chasing those rare moments where the right people are in the room solving problems, butting heads, but ultimately doing things they could never do all by themselves.


He's basically supposed to be a Steve Jobs character - manipulative, with weak technical knowledge, but with high charisma. The part where he takes credit for Gordon's work is very much a reference to the Jobs/Wozniak relationship.


I dont know about substance, but possibly vision. Its an old pattern, he kept selling more until the technical reality caught up with him. And he would abuse the technical staff to try and squeeze more out, but mostly because his reputation was riding on having sold it.


They have essentially nothing in common, other than the fact that both rapidly degrade over the seasons and both are nostalgic looks back at recent eras of America.


Absolutely. One of those shows where I went to check what the songs were playing in specific scene often, and ended up with lots of new tracks added to play lists. Whoever did their music selection was top notch.


I thought Halt and Catch Fire was fairly well known, especially in the tech world.

Season 1 was absolutely killer. I like that they tried to capture different eras per season, but subsequent seasons got progressively weaker.

I still think Gordon's final scene is one of the best pieces of writing in TV drama history. Took my breath away the first time I saw it.


It's fairly well known to some of us. It's one of the few shows I own DVDs of.


Where can one even find the seasons? I only found season 1 on Blu-ray.



Strongly agree that Season 1 was by far the best, and the rest suffered for the changes.


Mostly because the kind of people who run and advocate for programs like this are actively hostile to the idea of merit. Prioritizing talented people would be antithetical to them.


Prioritizing merit would be fine if there was some way to measure merit empirically, and if that measure couldn't be gamed by anybody with money and/or connections. But this is for artists, so...


I bet you also think government shouldn't be picking winners and losers.


And thinks that s/he's a winner and the stuff s/he enjoys is made by winners, and the stuff s/he doesn't like is made by losers. Merit, universal, objective = ME; Worthless, narcissistic, special interest = YOU.


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