These tech presentations, especially by Karpathy, tend to make me feel overall optimistic about the progress Tesla is making in this space.
But then instead of the presentation ending with "And that's why we're confident in our 5-10 year roadmap to Level 5 Autonomy" they end with Elon tweeting that some beta version is going to roll out to customers in 2-4 weeks and the optimism all comes crashing back down again.
Yeah, the FSD promises are old and annoying. For some of us, we remember the ridiculous claims starting back in at least 2016. I agree with you that noone should buy this car because of "FSD".
Also: Tesla can make a nice car, but doesn't like doing so very often. Please look up the pre-delivery checklists.
Tesla is not like a regular manufacturer where you can walk around a vehicle and determine if you want to accept it. You have to actually test things - even the things that we've been doing right since the Model T. These things are built in tents by staff that is treated quite poorly, and you should be skeptical in proportion to that information.
Checklists like that make things sound much worse than they are. Common issues are really minor compared to the things listed there.
And, tbh, hang around some forums for the company that has been "doing right since the Model T" and you'll see some of the same things. Roof alignment in particular has been a little bit of a problem for the Mach E.
With both companies, there are some horror stories after delivery too.
With both companies, the vast majority of cars are great and end up with really happy customers.
Model S Plaid just had amazing reviews by pretty much ever reviewer.
Check list make sense for all manufactures.
> These things are built in tents by staff that is treated quite poorly, and you should be skeptical in proportion to that information.
People are obsessed with this tent. Its just a simple stable structure that you can build quickly. It changes nothing about the manufacturing line being in a building.
The tend idea was set up when a guy with 30 years of manufacturing experience from BMW and other German car makers. They knew what they were doing, and its actually the cars from the tend that improved the quality problems they had early on.
> Getting any of these things fixed after you take delivery is a huge PITA.
Most of these things can be fixed by the mobile service, they can do it while your are not even there. Often the fix it while you work.
You're blowing things out if proportio lol. Teslas are extremely loved cars by their owners on average. I doubt they would be so highly rated if they had regular issues are you're suggesting.
This almost seems like a trolling comment but I’ll respond to add some info from a different POV. FWIW (and as an ex Amazon manager) I haven’t seen this at all for many of the engineers who are my friends and former coworkers. Good engineers from Amazon are in high demand and are getting offers frequently. If you’re an Amazon engineer, you can have a lot of experience running live services at massive scale and that’s invaluable. I also haven’t seen any recruiters who mark Amazon as a red flag, but hey, maybe there are some very particular companies I don’t know about who have a vendetta
I agree, however you do end up participating in it, you get used to it, and you bring it with you. That's the fear anyways. I think it's a little bit true. Facebook has similarly nutty PIP ("PSC") culture, and you see it from ex-Facebook folks who run other organizations once they leave.
I have seen recruiters red-flag FB/IG managers, depending on why they're leaving FB/IG for this reason. Engineers less so but it definitely comes up in the interview process. It comes up the other way too, when I interview - particularly senior - FB engineers, their first question is "tell me about your PSC culture."
I don't think most people at the IC/engineering level would choose that culture, but once they're in and inundated into that environment, how many are going to propagate it out of habit? That's the risk.
Since joining Amazon 2 years ago the rate of recruiters hitting my inbox has increased around 3x and I regularly get contacts from Google, Facebook, and MS recruiters, plus recruiters from random small shops in the Bay Area.
These HM's here and there that hate Amazon engineers are just a rounding error compared the number of companies trying to specifically poach Amazon engineers. Despite the sense that Amazon is a lesser-FAANG or whatever to some (so annoying people even think like that - like the snobs who say "lesser Ivy").
“lesser-FAANG or whatever”
I’m a tad amused that you’re not specifically opposed to the notion of FAANG, but find the notion of a lesser FAANG unpalatable. If you’re okay playing the elitism game, then it’s hard to sympathize with you when you’re the victim.
Yes, would love to know the company. Happy to help steer Amazon engineers away during the current engineer shortage so they don’t waste your recruiters’ time
Apparently I'm not plugged into all the industry chatter.
All of the big, well-known companies have imperfect reputations. (And I suspect my own ideas about which companies are better wouldn't quite fully agree with an HN sentiment index.)
When interviewing someone from a company that you believe to be a concern/ambiguous, it might be very valuable to ask, "So, why did you first go to ___?" "What do/did you like about it?" "Why don't/didn't you like about it?" That might answer any concerns pretty quickly.
(But if they give interview-prep-book answers, or seem to be trying to tell you an answer that you in particular will agree with, that's also valuable information, IMHO.)
Tesla is at least a decade away from the shit Elon is tweeting about.
Plan your next car purchases accordingly.
Sincerely, a Model Y owner